421 N. COUNTY FARM ROAD  
WHEATON, IL 60187  
DU PAGE COUNTY  
ETSB - Policy Advisory Committee  
Final Summary  
www.dupagecounty.gov  
Monday, November 6, 2023  
8:15 AM  
Room 3500A  
1.  
CALL TO ORDER  
8:15 AM meeting was called to order by Chair Dina at 8:15 AM.  
2.  
ROLL CALL  
Attendees:  
Director Linda Zerwin, DuPage Emergency Telephone System Board, non-voting Member  
Matt Theusch, DuPage Emergency Telephone System Board  
Gregg Taormina, DuPage Emergency Telephone System Board  
Eve Kraus, DuPage Emergency Telephone System Board  
Jason Blumenthal, DuPage County Board Office  
Jim Connolly, Village of Addison  
Nick Kottmeyer, DuPage County Board Office  
Steve Rauter, ETS Board Citizen Representative  
Bill Srejma, ACDC  
Pat Tanner, West Chicago Fire  
Kurt Bluder, Hinsdale Township High School District 86 (Remote)  
Rich Cassady, Glenside Fire (Remote)  
Kevin Dempsey, Addison PD (Remote)  
Kevin Fleege, Oak Brook Fire (Remote)  
Bob Murr, College of DuPage (Remote)  
Will Sperling, Citizen (Remote)  
John Sullivan, Village of Addison (Remote)  
On roll call, Members Dina, Baarman, Johl, Rivas, and Selvik were present, which constituted a  
quorum.  
Dina, Johl, Baarman, Rivas, and Selvik  
Hermes  
PRESENT  
ABSENT  
3.  
4.  
5.  
CHAIRMAN'S REMARKS - CHAIR HAYDEN  
Chair Dina welcomed Member Selvik to the PAC.  
PUBLIC COMMENT  
There was no public comment.  
CONSENT ITEMS  
5.A.  
23-3607  
ETSB PAC Minutes - Regular Meeting - Monday, October 2, 2023  
2023-10-02 ETSB PAC Minutes Summary.pdf  
Attachments:  
ETSB RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL  
RESULT:  
Pat Johl  
MOVER:  
Michael Rivas  
SECONDER:  
5.B.  
23-3608  
DEDIRS October Maintainer Report  
2310ETSBRadioMaintenanceReport.pdf  
Attachments:  
ETSB RECEIVED AND PLACED ON FILE  
RESULT:  
Pat Johl  
MOVER:  
Michael Rivas  
SECONDER:  
5.C.  
23-3609  
2024 Meeting Calendar - Policy Advisory Committee  
PAC 2024 Meeting Schedule.pdf  
Attachments:  
ETSB RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL  
RESULT:  
Pat Johl  
MOVER:  
Roy Selvik  
SECONDER:  
6.  
PARENT COMMITTEE APPROVAL REQUIRED  
6.A.  
ETS-R-0038-23  
Resolution to approve Policy 911-005.2: Access to the DuPage Emergency Dispatch  
Interoperable Radio System (DEDIRS) Recommendation to approve Policy Advisory  
Committee VOTE (to approve as amended): 6 Ayes, 0 Nays, 0 Absent.  
Ms. Zerwin said that since this item was tabled last month, it had to be brought forward  
as is. She then reviewed the changes to the policy since the last meeting as follows as  
provided in the draft document showing the redline changes which is attached to these  
minutes.  
Chair Dina confirmed the eight existing InterOps would be maintained and DUCALL  
would be added as a nineth STARCOM channel, and that the even numbered channels  
would be encrypted, the odd channels would not.  
Member Baarman asked if the encrypted channels would utilize the same key. Member  
Rivas said he believed the focus was to narrow the number of keys so they would be on  
the same key. He asked Member Baarman if there were any issues either way. Member  
Baarman said if these InterOps are what they were giving outside agencies to talk to  
DuPage and they are encrypted with the same key, they would potentially be giving  
encrypted access to all the groups. Member Rivas replied he would have no problem  
with that.  
Member Baarman then asked if the InterOps would be earmarked for first use by PSAP.  
There was a short discussion as to how the InterOps are assigned today and whether the  
assignments would be part of this policy or operational. The consensus was that the  
assignments of InterOps talkgroups is operational and would not be part of the policy.  
Generally, InterOps 1 through 4 would be utilized by DU-COMM with two talkgroups  
being clear and two talkgroups encrypted and InterOps 5 through 8 would be utilized by  
ACDC with two talkgroups being clear and two talkgroups encrypted.  
Chair Dina asked for a motion to amend Policy 911-005.2. Member Rivas made a  
motion to amend the policy as discussed, seconded by Member Selvik. On voice vote, the  
motion to amend the policy carried.  
911-005.2 Access to the DuPage Emergency Dispatch Interoperable  
Radio System 12.13.23 draft.pdf  
Attachments:  
911-005.2 DEDIRS Application and Confidentiality Agreement  
12.13.23 draft.pdf  
AMENDED  
Michael Rivas  
Roy Selvik  
RESULT:  
MOVER:  
SECONDER:  
ETS-R-0057-23  
6.B.  
Resolution approving Change Order #3 to Motorola Solutions, Inc. PO 921054/5522-1  
for Group Messaging Services on the APX numbered series portable and mobile radios.  
(Change Order not to exceed amount $150,905.60; New contract total: $37,354,782.23)  
Chair Dina opened the item for discussion. Ms. Zerwin said the PAC would be making a  
recommendation to the ETS Board on this item.  
Member Baarman said this service would not include the APXNext radios and asked if it  
covered the other radio models remaining in the system. Chair Dina clarified it would  
cover the mobiles in the system as well as some of the portable models such as the  
APX8000, APX6000, and APX4000s. Member Baarman asked if this took into  
consideration the APX4000s in the field. Ms. Zerwin asked, which 4000s? Member  
Baarman said there are agency owned APX4000s. Ms. Zerwin replied that all the radios  
in the fleet were counted and it would be an agency decision on whether they wanted to  
add the service. Member Baarman said so they may be treated like the Sheriff and have a  
cost and Ms. Zerwin confirmed. Ms. Zerwin said the Sheriff’s Office is discussing this  
option internally and will advise their decision. They already have a system set up  
internally for administration and jail radios. A short discussion ensued regarding the  
radios in the system to be covered by this service. Member Baarman also asked if this  
would only cover alias updates, not any other service that would be available, Chair Dina  
confirmed.  
Motorola 921054 Change Order 3.pdf  
Motorola 921054 Requisition.pdf  
Motorola 921054 Decision Memo.pdf  
Attachments:  
QUOTE-2378059-1 DuPage ETSB Group Services Flashkits 10 26  
2023.pdf  
QUOTE-2394597-1 DuPage Sheriff Group Services Flashkits 10  
26 2023.pdf  
ETSB RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL  
RESULT:  
Pat Johl  
MOVER:  
Michael Rivas  
SECONDER:  
7.  
DEDIRS PORTABLE AND MOBILE REPLACEMENT  
7.A. Police  
Member Rivas had nothing to bring forward for discussion.  
7.B. Fire  
Chair Dina said Fire Focus had discussed Group Messaging which was just approved for  
recommendation. He said they were in discussions with the NFPA Committee and said they  
would have more information at the next meeting. He said they have a Fire Focus meeting that  
morning and would discuss this further.  
Member Baarman asked if they had submitted the TIA and asked for any preliminary  
information. Chair Dina said they submitted the TIA and the PAC Memo (approved by the ETS  
Board) along with several videos to demonstrate to the task group and subcommittee the  
challenges associated with the standard. He said many of the members of the NFPA task group  
are on the NFPA subcommittee and that it looks favorable. Member Baarman asked if there was  
a date for their decisions, and whether the subcommitt could table the items. Chair Dina agreed  
and said they are meeting with Motorola and would ask Motorola to work on the changes based  
on the pending NFPA approval.  
8.  
POLICY 911-005.8: ACCESSORY APPROVAL REQUEST - HOLSTER  
Member Rivas said they reviewed the holster and the concern is if an altercation takes place and  
the radio falls out. He said the holster allows for the option of wearing the radio on the vest as  
well as the belt. Member Selvik made an adjustment to the strap on the holster to move the loop  
from the channel knob to the antenna. Member Rivas said taking a second look today, he would  
have no problem with the product. Ms. Zerwin said that Motorola would not certify a product  
unless it goes through their product group. She said the vendor would have to reach out to  
Motorola. Ms. Zerwin said the holster is not Motorola certified. The policy is vague regarding  
the holster because they are on the agency. She said the insurance deductible on the radios is  
$5,000 and if the renewal is approved by the ETS Board on Wednesday, the deductible would  
drop to $2,500. She said, the question is if PAC does not want to inhibit the holster, if they  
approve the holster, the deductible if an altercation happens, would be on ETSB. If the PAC  
does not approve the holster, the agency would sign off on the modification forms and would be  
liable for any damages including the deductible. Member Selvik asked if Motorola had a Molle  
solution of their own. Ms. Zerwin said not yet, but ETSB inquired. A short discussion ensued.  
Member Johl asked if the radios are falling out today, using the Motorola product as it was  
supplied, if ETSB was liable. Ms. Zerwin said Motorola would be as it is their product; they  
would be liable to replace it. Member Rivas said the ETS Board could vote no, that they would  
not want to incur the liability. Ms. Zerwin said she believed the policy gave the PAC the  
authority to make that decision. The policy was brought onscreen for the wording of whether  
ETSB or PAC had the authority to approve accessories. Section V of the policy states “…the  
ETS Board authorizes the PAC to make changes/additions/deletions to Appendices (which  
includes the accessories list) without having to bring such changes to the ETS Board.” Member  
Rivas said there would need to be outreach to the agency if not approved. Ms. Zerwin said the  
agency would need the policy forms so ETSB staff would reach out. Member Baarman asked if  
there was a timeframe from Motorola for a new holster. Ms. Zerwin said no, but that she had  
reached out to the manufacturer of this model holster so they could discuss it with Motorola. A  
motion was made by Member Selvik, seconded by Member Johl to add the holster to the  
accessory list within the policy appendices. On voice vote, all Members voted “Nay”, motion  
failed.  
DEFEATED  
Roy Selvik  
Pat Johl  
RESULT:  
MOVER:  
SECONDER:  
9.  
OLD BUSINESS  
There was no old business.  
10.  
11.  
NEW BUSINESS  
There was no new business.  
ADJOURNMENT  
11.A. Next Meeting: Monday, December 4 at 8:15am in Room 3-500A  
Member Johl made a motion to adjourn the meeting at 8:41am, seconded by Member Rivas. On  
voice vote, motion carried.  
Respectfully submitted,  
Eve Kraus  
24-0026  
Amendments to Policy 911-005.2: Access to the DuPage Emergency Dispatch  
Interoperable Radio System  
911-005.2 Access to the DuPage Emergency Dispatch  
Interoperable Radio System redline 11.1.23.pdf  
Attachments: